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The End Of Time Part Two Review
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Hey, look at that, it rhymes. Okay, this is a mixture of blow-by-blow commentary and proper review. I had to get it out there before Series 5 comes along because I had a brainwave on how to improve the Longest Regeneration Ever(TM). Namely, make it into a twenty minute introduction for Eleven. :D

Well... at least, it was better than Part One. Except that's not difficult, is it? I'll pass over the fact that the Vinvocci machine is a bit like the nanogenes from "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" because there are no new stories, only new ways to tell them.

Oooh, look at Gallifrey. It is pretty and orange. Mainly orange.

The Doctor possesses a 'moment'? Are we going to find out what this actually means? Guess not.

The President is as obsessed with immortality as Voldemort and the Visionary is a bit too much like Dalek Caan for my liking (except not as creepy or interesting).

The Doctor is tied up and gagged, just the way the Master likes it. And then we get another run of "Let's put John Simm in as many costume changes as possible!" *sigh* At least Wilf is still awesome and you can see the Master getting irritated by his refusal to keep quiet (you should meet his granddaughter).

Then we have one of the most irritating scenes in NuWho history (and that's saying something): Donna remembering the Doctor and everything she's been through. Now, we have been told by the Doctor (just in the last episode) that if she ever remembered him, her mind would "burn" and Donna would be properly dead not just metaphorically dead. I first got annoyed at Wilf for not telling Donna to hang up the phone after telling her to run, but that was eclipsed by the scene when Donna remembers, has a massive brainwave (literally) and then collapses. And that's IT. Donna is as badly treated as Gwen and Ianto were in "The Stolen Earth" and "Journey's End" and just as useless. I honestly wish she hadn't been in the episode, that she'd just fainted from seeing her fiance and her mum turn into two versions of the same person. At least we wouldn't have had this massive build up and this huge anticlimax. DEATH IS DEATH, Rusty. You know what I would have liked? Donna remembering and NOT exploding immediately, but helping the Doctor and Wilf, all the time knowing she could have an aneursym at any moment. God knows the end of this very episode proves that death is not always immediate so why couldn't that extend to Donna as well?

Fortunately, the unpalatable Donna scene is swiftly chased by a great (if extremely slashy) Doctor/Master scene, with the Master glaring at the Doctor like a pissed off teacher and the Doctor giving him that "I know something you don't know" smirk. Putting aside the Doctor's rather sickening paean to the Master's brilliance, the dynamic between them in this scene is brilliant as the Doctor pleads with the Master to give up the world and go with him and the Master wonders if that would finally silence this endless drumming in his head but doesn't know who he'd be without it. The only problem is that, as the Master puts it: "This body was born out of death, all it can do is die." Brain running ahead of the Doctor's, he decides to find out exactly what's been causing this drumming in his head and threatens Wilf to get to the TARDIS. Bad idea, especially since he doesn't even seem to notice that the guard standing next to him ISN'T him.

Also, if the Master is everyone, how come he doesn't know he's been knocked out?

Yes, let's just wheel the Doctor everywhere, that makes so much sense, especially in a house that isn't designed for wheelchairs. "Worst. Rescue. EVER." This and Wilf's amazement at being in space elevate the rescue above the banal.

It appears that diamonds are a Time Lord's best friend. So the drumming is a link in the Master's brain and all they need is a tiny diamond to open a gateway in a war that's time-locked? Wouldn't... you know... a key be better? Isn't the whole point of a time lock that you can't go backwards or forwards? Wouldn't the Doctor have thought of the whole "something already there" loop hole?

Wilf, in space, no one can hear you scream. Ooh, hello Woman in White. Yet more doom-laden prophecy about this being the end of the Doctor's life. I'm getting really fed up of this whole "this is the end of EVERYTHING" schtick. Has any other regeneration had such a melodramatic build up? I miss Nine more every moment. Yes, you're right, it SHOULD be 'spectacular' but it's not, it's just a big old mess.

On the other hand, I do love that all of Wilf's tearful pleading can't make the Doctor take that pistol but one mention of the Time Lords and the pistol is his new best friend. We even have David doing a little James Bond pose with it before he skydives without a parachute (even JB wouldn't attempt that). No wonder the Master gives him a little 'Dude, even I wouldn't be that stupid' look when he lands. He may even be a little worried about him. Rassilon's Risen Mitten trumps the Master's Gateway and everyone turns human again. I have to admit I enjoyed that, if only because the Master was so upset about it.

Wouldn't it be nice if Gallifrey came back without the Time Lords? Not where the Earth is, but somewhere on the outer reaches of the solar system?

You know what, I actually love the Vinvocci captain for not caring about the Doctor (and I really shouldn't). "Well, he said he was dying!" Compared to all the angst and melodrama, that is so refreshing, even if she was meant to be callous.

The marvellous scene where the Doctor ends up pointing the gun at the Time Lords, then the Master, then the Time Lords again, unable to decide which one of them deserves death. The Master almost begging him to do it and kill him (he's always getting shot, that guy), thinking that the Doctor is actually going to do it for a moment, then SACRIFICING HIMSELF for the Doctor (he also gets revenge on the Time Lords as well, but still). Followed by the equally marvellous moment when the Doctor thinks he's survived and then hears the tapping and the triumphant instrumental just drains away and the camera pans to see Wilf. And then it's all ruined by Ten having a massive temper tantrum about dying. STFU, Ten. Five died for Peri, how is this any different? You have indeed lived too long if you're acting like a toddler about this.

Hmm, so the Naismiths served absolutely no purpose whatsoever apart from getting the Master near the Gate? What a surprise. David Harewood deserved BETTER than that, RTD. Hell, even Friar Tuck on Robin Hood Series 3 was better than this, and as anybody who watched that knows, the third series of Robin Hood was one of the messiest things ever seen on television... but at least David Harewood got the best part and rocked it. Here he was reduced to a bloody plot device. If you're struggling to fit him in around all the other characters, that's a sign that a character needs to get cut and it should have been Naismith. You could easily stick the Master with the Vinvocci as a mysterious 'expert' and completely cut out his resurrection scene (which caused more plot problems than it solved). You wouldn't have had the Master running around, gobbling up everything in his wake but you could still have him taunting the Doctor from the safety of his little lair. It all works out!





Here's an idea: why couldn't Ten have regenerated into Eleven in the radiation chamber? We would have lost that amazing subtle moment when Ten rubs his face and heals all his cuts and bruises, yes, but the excruciating farewell scenes would have been COMPLETELY different. You could cut out Mickey and Martha running around with guns, have Martha tending to people in a hospital tent while Mickey does something technical on the computer system, have the Doctor save them from being ambushed by a Sontaran THAT way, them wonder who that guy is and maybe guess, then he disappears. (I am not going to rant for three paragraphs about Mickey and Martha being married, I'll just say that when I first saw this episode, I shrieked out loud "she was ENGAGED to TOM" and the subsequent rage nearly spoiled the rest of the episode for me. And hearing RTD's explanation didn't make it any better.) Eleven could save Luke, freak him out, and then Sarah Jane would come out and recognise him (because Sarah Jane is awesome like that) and realise what had happened. Eleven could sit beside Jack, be an understanding ear and a shoulder to cry on (but not matchmake him with Alonso). The Verity Newman thing would still work and then Eleven could actually GO to Donna's wedding! And sit on the bride's side because she wouldn't recognise him (at the back, of course). And then Wilf and Sylvia would be happy to see the Doctor, because they could see he was okay but different and he could still give that lottery ticket to Donna as a wedding present. And he could have spoken to Rose and looked as weird as he liked because she wouldn't recognise him. And there wouldn't have been that terrible Ood line or that terrible ending line. (You don't wanna go? TOO BAD. Seriously I had visions of everyone on Series 5 popping up and yelling "GET ON WITH IT!") And then there could have been a radiation backlash or something and the TARDIS could have hurtled towards Earth. There, much better.

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NGL, I was convinced that Eleven was going to uncurl from that chamber. DISAPPOINTED!!

I remember looking at my clock when Ten got out of the chamber and realising that we had so much time left of the episode and wondering when he'd hurry up and die. Yes, Rusty, you broke Ten for me, and I couldn't wait to see the back of him, tbh.

I LOVE your rewrite, that would have been so amazing! brb wishing it had happened...

NGL, I was convinced that Eleven was going to uncurl from that chamber. DISAPPOINTED!!

I know, same here! "OMG, it's going to be Eleven, what a great idea - oh... it's not. Damn it, how long is this gonna take?"

Yes, Rusty, you broke Ten for me, and I couldn't wait to see the back of him, tbh.

That's just it! I wanted to mourn Ten, I really did, but all the ANGST and the "THIS IS THE END OF EVERYTHING" theme killed any sadness in me and just left me going "STFU and DIE already so I can have my shiny and non-angsty Eleven!" I know you'll understand me when I say that when Eleven FINALLY appeared on screen I almost punched the air.

I LOVE your rewrite, that would have been so amazing! brb wishing it had happened...

It would, wouldn't it?! I mean, I don't see why all those goodbyes had to be in there anyway, personally. If I did a fanedit of this episode (apart from cutting out as much Naismith!incest as possible and just putting the Master straight with the Vinvocci), I would edit out Mickey and Martha, Sarah Jane and Luke, then Jack, leave Verity Newman in, leave Ten at Donna's wedding in, and then cut straight to Ten regenerating in the TARDIS without the Ood or the "I don't wanna go" bit. Probably blasphemous but there you go.

Hell, even the DW magazine wasn't exactly sold on this episode and that's saying something.

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Well, he certainly can't be WORSE. ;)

You know, in theory I liked the idea of exploring what it means to the Doctor to regenerate. It's just that I'm pretty sure "Whine, whine, I don't want to die" isn't it. I mean, he's already regenerated nine times, and even in RTD canon, the nine-into-ten regeneration was played as, "Gee, Rose, why are you freaked out? It's still me."

I can imagine it as something more like graduating from college - you know that while you might still see the same people, your relationship is going to be different, you're in a different place in your life, you're saying goodbye to a lot of things you cared about - but you're not *dying*.

I love your rewritten episode! I hadn't seen any of the Donna episodes before this one, so I kept thinking, "Maybe this would make more sense if I had seen that season... maybe..." I'm glad to know it wasn't just me!

I agree, it would be interesting and fun to have an episode that explores what it means to the Doctor to regenerate. But this WASN'T IT.

I mean, he's already regenerated nine times, and even in RTD canon, the nine-into-ten regeneration was played as, "Gee, Rose, why are you freaked out? It's still me."

This is exactly the problem. Nine's regeneration was beautifully played and next to that, Ten's regeneration smacked so much of meta writing - "ZOMG, Tennant is LEAVING and I'm leaving, too, IT'S SO SAAAAAAAAAAAAD."

I love your rewritten episode! I hadn't seen any of the Donna episodes before this one, so I kept thinking, "Maybe this would make more sense if I had seen that season... maybe..." I'm glad to know it wasn't just me!

I don't think so, it would just have increased your anger about the way Donna was treated. At the end of Journey's End, the Doctor had to take away all of Donna's memories about him. This was the prophesied "death" of "the most faithful companion", which annoyed a lot of people, including me, because RTD had already pulled this "metaphorical death" trick on us once before and some of us thought would have been better if Donna HAD truly died as opposed to having all her character development wiped. It was emphasised heavily that Donna could NEVER remember the Doctor or she would die. And what happens? She sends out a massive brainwave and collapses and DOESN'T DIE. It's so frustrating. At least JKR didn't mess around and actually killed her characters off.

Anyway, the Eleven ending would at least have provided a sense of continuity but I don't think RTD wanted that.

Actually at a sudden moment of the radiation!floor whimpering, David actually looks like he IS Matt from behind and the camera angle, I really thought they would go that way and got all *_* but then I saw david's hand and went *_* because you know, I lurve them boothh

You got the best of both worlds, then. ;)

Even handwaving the many things in "The End of Time" that don't make sense, it's still just too long! I love Ten and I understand RTD was trying to say farewell (for real this time?) to a bunch of characters, but the twenty minute denouement was unnecessary. Introducing Eleven certainly would've been an interesting way to change things up.

Martha and Mickey was very WTF, but Donna's storyline bothered me the most. I agree that she just shouldn't have been in the episode at all. She passes out, and that's it! Then we're supposed to be happy that she's married to a guy who had about two lines but at least has lots of money?

Event finales can be fun, but the last few have been way overblown. Hopefully in the future they can get back to being exciting without being "oh god oh god we're all gonna die!" all the time.

Martha and Mickey was very WTF, but Donna's storyline bothered me the most. I agree that she just shouldn't have been in the episode at all. She passes out, and that's it! Then we're supposed to be happy that she's married to a guy who had about two lines but at least has lots of money?

That's just it, he doesn't have money! Financially, he's even worse off than Donna! *headdesk* That's why the Doctor gets the lottery ticket so they have enough money to buy a house and settle down. And this is supposed to make up for Donna losing her memories and forgetting how amazing she can be. -_-; The whole story left a bad taste in my mouth.

Even handwaving the many things in "The End of Time" that don't make sense, it's still just too long! I love Ten and I understand RTD was trying to say farewell (for real this time?) to a bunch of characters, but the twenty minute denouement was unnecessary. Introducing Eleven certainly would've been an interesting way to change things up.

Yes. It just went on and on and I was praying for it to end. I didn't want to be feeling that way about Ten's final episode!

Gosh I haven't thought about these eps in so long! I tried desperately to block it all out and I guess it worked, lol. I still have an infinite amount of problems with both the eps really, but I like how you decided to work with it and throw out ideas on how it could have been salvaged. Man if only we had more Eleven than Ten in this ep, that would have certainly made everything better.

RTD is such a dumbass. I was just reading above the explanation for MMickey/Martha (which again I blocked out entirely from my memory) and it doesn't even make sense! Martha's married name would be Martha Jones-Smith if anything. And that would probably just make her drop the Jones since it looks retartar! So. Dumb.

I still have an infinite amount of problems with both the eps really, but I like how you decided to work with it and throw out ideas on how it could have been salvaged. Man if only we had more Eleven than Ten in this ep, that would have certainly made everything better.

Oh, you'd have to rewrite them totally to make them better. Cut out Naismith and give the Vinvochi a bigger part! They're interesting because they're not evil or good: they just want to repair their gate and get out of there, which is a perfectly understandable goal. Who doesn't have enough 'neutral' aliens IMO. And I'd rewrite Donna's part and yeah, she would die at the end, but frankly, she deserves a GOOD death. And of course, more Eleven. Eleven is like cowbell, you can never have enough.

I was just reading above the explanation for MMickey/Martha (which again I blocked out entirely from my memory) and it doesn't even make sense! Martha's married name would be Martha Jones-Smith if anything. And that would probably just make her drop the Jones since it looks retartar!

Oh, I know, I know! But don't try and make sense of it, sweetie. There's no point in using logic when it comes to RTD. *pat*

I want to see your regeneration!!! I think it would have been so much better.

Thanks! I truly think it would have improved those last 20 minutes so much.

I have no idea what-so-ever on how to improve the Tenth's Doctor's regeneration. There were huge bits I liked, huge bits that made no sense, and other bits that provided a good laugh. As much as I enjoy David as an actor, when he started to preach how he was too important to die, I wanted to ask the writers: Have you ever seen the Classic show?

Compare this to Five's classy sacrifice, or One's classy, contemplative ending. Yeah, Two complained, but he had good reason to! Ten, may look younger, but he's older. Isn't he supposed to mature. Or maybe that's it, because he's older he's frightened that the next time may be the last -- or he'll become the Valeyard. That would be fun, actually. Should bring David back for an couple of episodes as the Valeyard and let Eleven battle him.


Have to admit except for Seven and Nine, the other regenerations were a bit of blur until I watched them again on pirated episodes on You tube. I remember thinking when I saw originally saw them, that, I guess he, whomever the actor was, wanted to move on. The only time I got upset at a replacement was when Tara Boom De Day replaced Emma Peel What do mean wrong show? (grin)

But John Sims is always a pleasure, but one would think that, as well as his wife, he would hunted down that tiny, courageous, woman who laughed in his face when he threatened to kill her. Imagine The Master turning everyone but Martha, including new husband Mickey, into himself.... , but Freema didn't have time. Heavy sigh.

I liked the Gallifrey bits, except they don't explain why Rassilon, who died at least ten million years before the Doctor is born, is the President. I suppose they brought him back when all seemed lost. Skip the Naismiths, tell us more about the Time Lords and how they survived? Is this like the Phantom Zone in the Superman legend? There was a piece of Krypton in a bottle, if I recall my comics! Hmmm Simm's Master with Time and Time Lords in a bottle....

I like the Virgin books Gallifreyan history, and rather than his Mother, why not have the Lady in White say: Well done, Grandfather..... But hey, I have trouble finishing a fan fiction let alone a script....

Okay, Catus people and Wilf in Star Wars styled rescue: why decide to get 'campy" now?

Keep our (USA) President out of this mess, thank you! He has enough problems convincing Americans that universal health care is NOT the first step to socialism...

The Naismiths.......Whaaaaaaaaa the??? And they got arrested? For what, earnestly delivering the most perplexing bit of nonsense like "My name means bring of Joy?"

I like Martha and Mickey together. Unconditionally. But, yes, RTD's decision to surprise us left us all asking: What happen to Tom? He gave his life to save Martha?
Would have been nice preferred that in Journey's End, we are told that Martha went to the USA after she and Tom could not agree about her choice to use her medical skills for her Science Fiction job, instead or perusing the real problems facing human medicine with him. But it's over, so I'd rather look forward to Smith and Jones having an adventure with Smith and Pond.




I liked the Gallifrey bits, except they don't explain why Rassilon, who died at least ten million years before the Doctor is born, is the President.

Well, it isn't necessarily THAT Rassilon. It could just be A Rassilon. ;)

The Naismiths.......Whaaaaaaaaa the??? And they got arrested? For what, earnestly delivering the most perplexing bit of nonsense like "My name means bring of Joy?"

I know. Don't try to make sense of it. It's pointless. (Also, Abigail actually means "source of joy" but I was glad they didn't use THAT meaning. That relationship was dodgy enough.) David Harewood (Joshua) was WASTED. WASTED.

The entire last paragraph is pure BRILLIANCE and if that would've been what happened? I would've actually LIKED "The End of Time".

More Eleven makes EVERYTHING better. Even a big figgy pudding mess like End of Time Part II. I would have liked to see everyone's reactions to him!

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