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Various thoughts under the cut. DO NOT LOOK IF YOU ARE AMERICAN AND WANT TO REMAIN UNSPOILT.



* Oh, Mickey did not die, lalala! *dances around, then stops* We never got to see his "I told you so" dance! Boo! Anyway, I loved the whole exchange between Mickey and Rose. I really thought she was going to say "second bravest", but she didn't! "The bravest human". YES! That's our Mickey! But why did he stick around? Mickey, you have Jake! A nice, handsome boy who is not obsessed with an alien! Oh well. By the end of the episode, I had started thinking of Mickey like a brother/best friend to Rose rather than a lover, although I know we're supposed to think that Rose will eventually marry him. Loved the greeting between him and the Doctor. Boss. Excellent.

* Speaking of the Doctor, DT was FANTASTIC in this episode: serious, silly, crazy (enough to unnerve me), sane, silent, shouting, he did it all. That moment at the end when he pressed his cheek to the wall, listening, listening... that was the Doctor. THAT was moving. Not the two tears (although I can forgive them, because even then he wasn't sobbing, unlike a certain Miss Tyler). Did anyone notice the similarity between the Daleks not being able to touch anyone and Rose not being able to touch him at the end? Locked inside his own version of a shell? Quite subtle.

* I actually did like Rose in this episode quite a bit. And for once, she didn't get her own way. Thanks to her dad. There's a wonderful irony in that, somewhere: real father figure rescuing her from pretend father figure? Who knows. And I am so happy that she's working at Torchwood. She has definitely learnt something and we know from that information that she is going to move on, even though she doesn't want to. I feel ambiguous about the meeting on the beach: on the one hand, it is a great beach and the lighting was lovely; on the other, I preferred Rose sobbing on the other side of the Void, when she had a proper reason to grieve, rather than standing there on the beach, pleading for him to come and get her, even though she knew it was impossible. You know, saying "I love you" isn't going to do anything, dear. It has no power to pull him across the universe. And her death was symbolic. Great.

* I know that everyone is going on about how the Daleks pwn the Cybermen, but my favourite insult was one that came from the Cybermen.

"TheDalekshavenoconceptofelegance."

"This. is. obvious."

Oooh yeah. Feel the modernism snobbery. XD

* Yvonne's death was actually chilling. "I did my duty!" Look where it got you, sweetie. A bit of thinking never did anyone harm.

* The bit in the middle with Jackie and Pete slowed everything down so much! I liked the beginning, with them staring through the smoke at each other, and totally at cross purposes. I liked that awkwardness. I wanted it to continue; I didn't want the sudden hug, at least, not just then. They could have had that later. Or just not at all. Let us fill in the gaps. I did like their exchange about what they'd been doing in their various universes. I liked Pete telling Jackie that she'd raised Rose and that was something. Quibble: "I'd forgotten you could argue." It's only been three years for him, I doubt he'd forget.

* I was completely taken aback by the Bride. I thought for one dumbfounded moment it was Rose. Fortunately, no. I think when I see the episode again, I'll be able to judge it better.


* Some thoughts on the last episode, having seen it again: the incidental music reminded me a lot of "A Night On Bald Mountain"; they really should have cut the Eastenders clip off at the first "get out of my pub" or just had the spirits joke, but not both; one of DT's best episodes.

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Ahaha, I agree with you on so many levels ♥ I'm so very pleased that neither Mickey or Jake died, I was worrying over last week that one or both of them would, because I didn't want them to... and they didn't, so, glee~ ^^

That episode pretty much sold me on David Tennant, really... we haven't really had much of a chance to see him show so many different emotions across this series really, not to this extent... but he did them so well *-* and hah, that similarity reminds me of Janet Fielding (Tegan)'s thoughts on the commentary for Resurrection of the Daleks, saying that they're "a metaphor for ourselves", about how we build shells around us and such, and this is what makes them frightening~

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Rose when the bride first appeared~ I think everybody I was watching it with issued a collective "WTF?" there XD~

That's definitely the feeling across the fandom: WTF. Some people are up in arms about how jarring it was, but as far as I can see, that's the whole point of that moment. Ten's life goes on, as it must do.

"You know, saying "I love you" isn't going to do anything, dear. It has no power to pull him across the universe."

No. But she feels she has lost him in much the same way as if he has died. In the same way she knows she will never see him again. Wouldn't anyone take that oopportunity to tell someone they loved them.


Perhaps, but it felt redundant and smacked of emotional blackmail: "I love you, won't you come and get me?"

This is completely my own opinion, of course. I know that probably wasn't RTD's intention.

What bothered me was that it undermined the scene at the wall which was subtle, heart-breaking and beautiful. Less can be more.

Yes. After the scene at the wall, she didn't NEED to say it. It didn't need to be said, it had already been spelled out. That scene with them on both sides of the wall must rank as among the best in New Who.

For me it felt real but as you say opinions differ.

Yet again, commenting on old Whoverse entries I knew nothing about in 2006. Though I'm sure I was amused. :P

Rose actually annoyed me a little - I don't know, I wish she'd been a bit torn, because she did have the father she's made it quite clear she grew up wishing she had. Though in fairness, he hadn't been all that nice to her the last time they'd spoken, and she was living a much more interesting life with the Doctor.

I did love that Mickey stayed around as a supportive friend - he could have held a grudge, but he didn't do anything of that sort. Go Mickey! (Who I thought was going to die in the very first episode. I'm glad he not only lived, but that his character grew.)

Jackie and Pete... I look at them like this: In Pete's world, Jackie was probably the Jackie we know and love until they became rich. So he's looking at the Jackie who in some ways died even before she literally died. Pete meanwhile is the man he "could have been" to Jackie, which I'm sure added to the tragedy as well - she lost a husband, but she also saw someone who had dreams not being able to fulfill them. I do think they figured that out a little quickly, but I toss stuff like that into a bin I call "trying times bring unusual things out of people." I have to say I was surprised, though.

And her death was symbolic.

Yeah. Honestly, when the second to last episode said "I'm Rose Tyler and this is how I died", I started flipping out - the Whovian friend I IMed can confirm that. ;) "But he tells Donna Rose is 'so alive!' How does she die? Oh my God, poor Jackie!" I mean, I do think Rose in a way did die - she left one world for another. But she's still got a chance to grow and the like.

I was completely taken aback by the Bride. I thought for one dumbfounded moment it was Rose. Fortunately, no. I think when I see the episode again, I'll be able to judge it better.


*Giggles* Sorry, that was one of those fun "little did we know then!" moments right there. :P

Rose actually annoyed me a little

Ha! I wrote this straight after watching the episode and I'm shocked at how positive this review is. Later developments in the DT era mean that I have a much more jaundiced view of this story now. And especially when it comes to Rose.

Jackie and Pete... I look at them like this: In Pete's world, Jackie was probably the Jackie we know and love until they became rich. So he's looking at the Jackie who in some ways died even before she literally died. Pete meanwhile is the man he "could have been" to Jackie, which I'm sure added to the tragedy as well - she lost a husband, but she also saw someone who had dreams not being able to fulfill them.

That's a good way of looking at it, actually. Thanks! :)

Yeah. Honestly, when the second to last episode said "I'm Rose Tyler and this is how I died", I started flipping out - the Whovian friend I IMed can confirm that. ;) "But he tells Donna Rose is 'so alive!' How does she die? Oh my God, poor Jackie!" I mean, I do think Rose in a way did die - she left one world for another. But she's still got a chance to grow and the like.

Yeah, I am quite glad she didn't actually die, though I always thought it was a bit of a cop out. When RTD pulled this stunt again, I was furious.

Yeah, I like Rose, but she doesn't hold a candle to Donna's personality or Martha's bravery.


Yeah, I am quite glad she didn't actually die, though I always thought it was a bit of a cop out.


I think it would have been terrible to do to Jackie. Jackie would never have come back from that. Aside from that, yeah, a bit of a cop out. :/

Edited at 2010-08-22 07:24 pm (UTC)

And yet she's obviously the golden child as far as the writer's concerned. *sigh*

I think it would have been terrible to do to Jackie. Jackie would never have come back from that.

True. That's the one thing which stopped me from being angry.

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